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Sep 1, 2011 2:04 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

LIPA: Fewer Than 200 Outages Left Islandwide From Irene

Sep 5, 2011 10:16 AM

Fewer than 200 Long Island Power Authority customers, islandwide, were still experiencing power outages caused by Hurricane Irene as of Monday morning, according to Mark Gross, a LIPA spokesman, who said the authority hoped to have everyone online by the end of the day.

“We hope to have it wrapped up today by the end of the day, if not sooner,” he said of full power restoration.

LIPA’s Storm Center website was listing 235 customers as being without power in Southampton Town Monday morning, with 228 of them in Bridgehampton. Mr. Gross said those could be “new outages” unrelated to the storm, or “intentional” temporary outages to make restoration efforts safe for workers. The other outages listed in Southampton Town were “less than 5” in Hampton Bays, North Sea, Remsenburg-Speonk, Westhampton, Westhampton Beach and Water Mill.

In East Hampton Town, the website listed only 13 customers without power: “less than 5” each in Amagansett, Montauk, Northwest Harbor and Springs, and 5 in East Hampton.

Almost 4,000 LIPA crews and tree trimmers were deployed over the weekend to get power up and running across Long Island, he said Sunday morning, noting that some employees were working 18 hour shifts. “And they’ll keep working until all the power is restored,” Mr. Gross said.

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Over 80% restored-a passing grade in my book. Well done LIPA-thank you.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Sep 1, 11 3:03 PM
Nonsense EE68!

Sunday midday -- the storm and winds started to dissipate, and you consider an 80% restoration rate good late on Thursday?

Did you fall into a Rip van Winkle slumber in the last few days?

I guess you are used to being abused by multi-national corporations, the first priority of which is:


Wake up!

We are putting lots of Euro's into the bank accounts of a corporation (National Grid, in case you haven't awakened yet)_which ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Sep 1, 11 5:58 PM
Can you explain why LIPA would NOT be interested in restoring power ASAP? When people are without power, they can't be charged for using power and that's how LIPA makes their money. Not to mention they take a beating in the public forum (though it doesn't matter in the sense that people can't choose a different provider or easily go off the grid).

LIPA makes $ by charging people for energy - if people can't use energy, they don't make money. This was also the 3rd largest power outage ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Sep 1, 11 6:30 PM
Thank you Nature for the question. I can explain, indeed.

Many of LIPA's senior managers are, in my personal opinion only, either long-gone due to National Grid's 2011 cost-savings, or they are afraid to take urgent and crucial action because their "forced" retirements would be jeopardized. [Ditto for Keyspan's natural gas executives IMO.]

You are a bright person, we all recognize. What would you do after decades (30-40 years +) of working for the same bureaucracy?

Challenge ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Sep 1, 11 6:46 PM
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That is wonderfully round-about.

How does this benefit the bottom line of LIPA? They (the public utility) make money by providing energy to people. If they do not provide energy, they do not make money. If you could please give me an economic explanation for dragging out the restoration of electricity to their customers I would be satisfied. To vaguely talk about "higher ups" and their retirement packages is a disservice to your time honored tradition of demanding facts and full bore ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Sep 1, 11 7:19 PM
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Regarding persistance, Nature, ditto.

I think at this point we should agree to disagree. You are optimistic for sure (others might call this "blind to reality").

And you appear to love abuse by multinational corporations.

Good night.

PS -- I have no idea what an acceptable time frame for restoration of service might be. I do not have the expertise to analyze this. Comments here are only personal opinions, as we all recognize.

IMO the restoration of 98% ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Sep 1, 11 7:40 PM
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Here is the economic explanation for dragging out the restoration of electricity you asked for. The workers who are performing the repairs are being paid a special overtime and hazard rate that well exceeds their regular pay, so it is in their best interests to drag out this work for as long as possible. You don't seriously think that the workers who come in from Kansas and Oklahoma to "help" out do so from the goodness of their hearts do you? They come for the giant pay day as special contractors. ...more
By LocalEHGirl (3), East Hampton on Sep 1, 11 9:21 PM
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What???? And how would you feel if you were still in that 20 percent without power?
By Q333 (161), Southampton on Sep 1, 11 10:51 PM
you couldn't be serious. this is not difficult. who said lipa didn't want to get everyone back up and running. the problem is that they can't! and they can't because they didn't use the money wisely that we send them every month. if it doesn't frost you a little to see your money wasted then fine, but it is silly for you to take such an amateurish argument as they want to get it up and running so they can charge you more. its all about cutting corners with your funds at your expense. to each ...more
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Sep 2, 11 6:28 AM
I do not work for LIPA (such a suggestion is silly) nor do I know anyone who works for LIPA or is even a lineman for that matter.

I find i tinteresting that LocalEHGirl gives an explanation that is in direct contravention of what everyone else is whining about (saying it's incompetent management and it's National Grid's fault. She's actually blaming the guys who are up there doing dangerous work 16 hours a day away from their familes who will be sleeping in shelters tonight).

I'm ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Sep 2, 11 9:12 AM
Actually this financial info isn't totally true. When LIPA was formed there was like $ 6 billion in bonds. These were supposed to be largely paid off by now except that LIPA went back the the trough and sold more bonds so there are still about $ 6 billion owed.

The real issue is that LIPA is mismanaged and they don't care a hoot about it. They continually do things wrong, costing us millions of dollars for inferior service yet instead of getting rid of the people making the mistakes ...more
By tuckahoeptomember (9), Southampton on Sep 3, 11 2:26 PM
LIPA is doing great...a lot better than Cablevision and Optonline...we have had no cable, tv or phones since the END of the storm. I will never put all my eggs in one basket again...Verizon, where are you??
By nauti lady (25), Sag Harbor on Sep 1, 11 4:20 PM
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you cant beat those 2 little copper wires
By coxie1 (37), southampton on Sep 1, 11 5:14 PM
nauti lady, has it occurred to your that the cable, tv, and phones just MIGHT depend on electrical power to work correctly? And then again, the services you are missing may be independent of electrical power.

PS -- Cablevision and Optonline come through the same single cable "pipeline" BTW.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Sep 1, 11 6:12 PM
PS -- see post above to EE68 about abuse from NatGrid.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Sep 1, 11 6:23 PM
I had Verizon during Hurricane Hugo in Charleston, SC and I was on the phone to my mother in Hampton Bays almost for the whole storm. Had no problems at all. That was on Sept 21, 1989. This cable phone is a disaster when there is a disaster.
By Barbie793 (5), Hampton Bays on Sep 1, 11 7:11 PM
So Barbie793, your experience with Verizon in 1989, 1,000 miles to the south and 22 years ago, is relevant somehow?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Sep 1, 11 7:16 PM
It is. nauti lady mentioned not putting all her eggs in one basket and asked where Verizon was. My statement is that Verizon is always on whether there is a storm or not, in my case, I happened to be down South when there was a very large storm which did millions in damages if not billions, tore trees down, had tornadoes and still Verizon was on. You won't get that from cable phone. And what does it matter where you are; Verizon is the same everywhere. So you can get off your high Southampton ...more
By Barbie793 (5), Hampton Bays on Sep 1, 11 7:27 PM
Thank you Barbie.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Sep 1, 11 7:42 PM
You are fine als long as you have regular phone service with Verizon. If you have Verizon Fios phone service, you will depend on elctric to keep the phone working one your few hours of battery backup run out.
By Walt (292), Southampton on Sep 5, 11 12:59 PM
All of these numbers put up by LIPA are fake. LIPA has been claiming for the past two days that they have restored power to 99% of my area and that only 7 homes remain without power, however, on my street alone there are 25 homes without power and no one on either of the neighboring streets has power either. That's a few more than 7 houses without power. I called LIPA to ask them about this discrepancy and they fully admitted their numbers were inaccurate and that a lot more than 7 people in ...more
By LocalEHGirl (3), East Hampton on Sep 1, 11 7:28 PM
totally agree. Numbers are a lie, it's far worse than they are letting on. Vermont has entire towns cut off by floods yet somehow the state was able to restore power to almost all rural customers. LIPA is a joke plain and simple
By littleplains (305), olde england on Sep 2, 11 1:16 AM
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Montauk has 5,868 customers (more than either EH or SH)?
By zaz (197), East Hampton on Sep 1, 11 7:54 PM
I will never go back to Verizon after a display that can be called nothing less than urban terrorism by those striking union members on our streets last month. No sir! Never again.... its still a free country and you can be sure after what I saw I will be voting NO with my wallet to Verizon
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Sep 2, 11 2:51 AM
joe prefers robber barons, since he has built his future suckling the 1% teat.

So critical of the "cycle of dependency", and so blind to your own...

No insult intended...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 2, 11 10:29 PM
not only are these numbers fake, but there are some other numbers that I don't hear about. If Irene costs $1 Billion dollars, how much of that is covered by the citizens? Pretty much all of it! The numbers I don't hear are how much do New Yorkers pay monthly in electric bills $5 Billion? How about in insurance costs $20 Billion? The money is there, and its all supplied by the taxpayers who pay taxes, insurance premiums, the highest power rates in the contiguous US and top dollar for everything ...more
Sep 2, 11 6:24 AM appended by kaluss
here are some more numbers, LIPA grew by about $72,000,000 last year if I am reading the public financial stmts correctly. that's over $1,385,000 per week. And they don't just make money from electric, there are lots of income streams. this is NOT a stmt. on the hard working men and women on the front lines. they don't mismanage the utility and its money.
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Sep 2, 11 6:24 AM
The reality of this situation is that it's about more than just how many people lost power, it's HOW they lost power. If a transformer blows and a 1,000 people lose power...it will be back quickly. If a hurricane knocks trees down everywhere and snaps poles it is going to take a while. Comparing to other areas, like Norfolk, is irrelevant - if you drove around on Sunday there were trees and poles down everywhere. I was actually surprised we got power back (North Sea) on Monday night - I didn't ...more
By FunintheSun (3), Southampton on Sep 2, 11 9:35 AM
I am still without power, have called three times and to date have not recieved a call back as to when power will be restored. I'm not sure where they come up with these bogus numbers but I have talked to several people who are in the same boat as me.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Sep 2, 11 11:31 AM
As a technically minded person, I have been warning my friends and relatives ever since Cablevision got into the phone and internet business NOT to subscribe to Cablevision's Triple Play. "You are going to lose all three if there is even a minor hurricane, even if you have a generator, I explained". The smart way to do this is to go with Verizon's "Triple Play" (it doesn't have to be Fios which is not yet available on the East End). Verizon's Triple Play is: 1.)non internet based good ole phone ...more
By Zorro (66), Southampton on Sep 2, 11 12:17 PM
Well, the choice is easy. Cablevision for its unmatched 100Mb/s ULTRA service for internet, and cellular for phone service. Cell's have proven to be more reliable than verizon land lines during storms. I didn't lose cell service once during Irene.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 2, 11 1:32 PM
Perhaps the top executives of National Grid will be coming to The Hamptons for Labor Day weekend to use the free showers being provided by SH Town?

You can't make this stuff up!

Leaving the maintenance of OUR crucial infrastructure up to the "profit-making" attitudes of a huge international corporation is not sound IMO.

Sorry to repeat this, but if Irene had been a huge ice storm Nor'easter during the winter, we would be up the proverbial creek without a paddle.

Have ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Sep 2, 11 2:15 PM
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Finally got the answer I was not hoping to hear..LIPA admitted to me that they are concentrating on populated areas downwards. This means I will be last on the list. Use this as a gauge on when your power will be on.....PATHECTIC....THEY CANT DO IT BY AREA???
By STARHAMPTON (18), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 2, 11 5:10 PM
By STARHAMPTON (18), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 2, 11 5:21 PM
Still waiting.

Less than patiently.

We are at the point of being ready to submit the last two days of receipts, and deducting it from the next billing cycle. The first three days I can understand. After that, the lack of proper sleep is wearing on my patience. Severely.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 2, 11 6:11 PM
I truly feel badly for those who still do not have power. I was fortunate and had mine restored in less than two days. I do remember after Gloria I was without power for seven days, and it was horrible, depressing, frustrating and inconvenient. Again, I hope this is over for everyone soon.
By Mrs.Sea (268), Sag Harbor on Sep 2, 11 7:18 PM

Take not convenience for granted.

I think that was also on the table that shattered...
Sep 2, 11 10:34 PM appended by Mr. Z
Sorry, "tablet".
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 2, 11 10:34 PM
LIPA stinks....7 days no power for a category 1/tropical storm.....Cant wait for the real storm
By STARHAMPTON (18), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 3, 11 11:09 AM
That 3 hour break was for a 9 hole golf outting that had been planned for months and could not be changed.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Sep 3, 11 1:56 PM
the breakdown of customers without power is not accurate.
I was at a home in Westhampton today (9/3/11) that does not have power. There are a bunch of wires hanging right across the street from their driveway.
By the other one (8), Westhampton Beach on Sep 3, 11 9:24 PM
As an "older" person now - am watching all of this whining and complaining with . . . dismay and amusement. How would I "feel" if I was one of the twenty percent without power? I am. I feel lucky and grateful that none of my loved ones are dead or in jail today, that I have friends and a local government that I can go tofor help and who take me in, and that I am "above ground" myself. Notice a ot of "first timers" being "impacted" by things outside of their control on this issue - understand ...more
By Board Watcher (534), East Hampton on Sep 3, 11 11:45 PM
Beautifully said, Board Watcher.
By Mrs.Sea (268), Sag Harbor on Sep 4, 11 8:14 AM
Well, you ''older people'' certainly deserve a lot of respect for the fact that you have no loved ones in jail, yes, congrats, that must be a very good feeling...not everyone holds the stoic intellect that the wise old owl gains from decades on the branch, hope we can all get there.
By kaluss45 (44), southampton on Sep 6, 11 8:26 AM
Today marks one week since the storm. All things considered everyone did a good job cleaning up the east end and returning things to near normal. Thanks to all the road crews, police and fire departments, and to LIPA for a job well done.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Sep 4, 11 7:27 AM
LIPA's history of incompetence continues.

From Shoreham to Irene - they spell failure and incompetence.

They are destroying Long Island with their overpaid executives and some of the highest rates in the nation.

Cuomo needs to have the district attorney's office carefully investigate their practices.
By Steven (113), Westhampton on Sep 4, 11 11:55 AM
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The article was just updated.

Perhaps the name of the "Customer Outage Information" page, should also be updated to this?

"Customer OUTRAGE"

See: lipower.org/outrageous !!!

PS -- LIPA's contract with National Grid is due to be renewed in a week or two, as I understand it. If this renewal goes through as planned, then the whole operation will suggest indeed IMO, that "Something is Rotten in Denmark."
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Sep 4, 11 12:09 PM
Labor Day-LIPA workers get a well deserved day off. Thanks again.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Sep 5, 11 7:57 AM
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You can blame all the self important folks who have moved to the hamptons over the past 20 years. God forbid if these utility companies can properly trim the foliage so these outages don't happen. NIMBY is the root of the problem here. You can't have all your beautifyl trees along power lines and not expect severe outages!
By Walt (292), Southampton on Sep 5, 11 12:53 PM
Before you get carried away with this class warfare thing you must remember that National Grid would actually have to dig into their pockets and their profits to pay for tree trimming. I remember virtually no skirmishes in the last few years where the utility proposed anything of the sort.
By VOS (1241), WHB on Sep 5, 11 1:06 PM
I recall utilities being sued for trimming and removing trees in Water MIll-residents wanted the trees put back. The cost of trimming trees does not come out of profits-it is paid for by raising rates.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Sep 5, 11 4:15 PM
Rumor has it that many locations in North Sea, among others, have "power" in the lowest sense, but that the voltage is not right and/or that one of the "legs" is off.

Please reply LIPA and National Grid, as you seek to have your contract renewed.

You can't make this stuff up!

Good Night, Katia.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Sep 5, 11 8:54 PM
East End is on the money. According to the NY Times, in 2002 a campaign was waged by locals AND local officials against LIPA for cutting down trees on their ROWs. One of the people interviewed in the article is Ceal Havermeyer - wife of none other than Fred Havermeyer, who is a longtime Southampton Town Trustee. The Havermeyers also live in spitting distance of one of LIPA's east end headquarters.

The trees that Mrs. Havermeyer noted as being removed included "red maples and honey ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Sep 5, 11 9:24 PM
I am unsure of what is worse, the ability to recall information as useless as the tree cutting brouhaha from 9 years ago or the drive to go look it up online and then use it to say whose fault the trees coming down were. Nature, can you try to sum up your overall point/conclusion? It is basically that Irene was a terrible hurricane and that if it weren't for the one woman who lives near a lipa headquarters, as many trees wouldn't have come down? Did you hear that several hundred new outtages have ...more
By kaluss45 (44), southampton on Sep 6, 11 7:05 AM
I thought my point was as clear as the sky in the eye of the storm.

People like VOS are stating that wires came down because LIPA did not trim the trees properly. East End pointed out that in Water Mill there was a "brouhaha" regarding LIPA cutting down trees. I spent 30 seconds googling and locating an article to back up the claim. I then used the contents of the article to make the point (which apparently wasn't too clear). So here it is in basic terms:

-People have complained ...more
Sep 6, 11 2:46 PM appended by Nature
**nothing BUT generalties.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Sep 6, 11 2:46 PM